[RFC-09] Secondary DUST Claim Path with Time-Locked LP Commitment

[RFC-09] Secondary DUST Claim Path with Time-Locked LP Commitment



Updated RFC:

Summary

This proposal introduces an optional DUST claim path that routes rewards into a time-locked DUST/USDC liquidity commitment, with longer commitments receiving a larger share of the Merkl rewards. Commitment may be funded using nUSDC (veDUST revenue or collateral), or their in-wallet USDC, subject to final implementation parameters. The final DUST/USDC LP ratio remains subject to Neverland development team modeling and governance approval.

A suggested 50/50 ratio of DUST to USDC would provide a similar outlet for DUST same as the existing 50/50 Uniswap V2 liquidity pool. The even nature would mean it would take equal numbers of buys and sells to affect DUST price.There would be no DUST fee penalty for using this proposed option due to the risk of LP impermanent loss. Lock durations would be lengthy, initially proposed at three (3), six (6), nine (9), and twelve (12) month options subject to approval in the final proposal in consultation with the Neverland development team.

Problem Statement

The current DUST economy is polarized between immediate selling of short-term DUST locks and long-term veDUST locking, leaving limited middle-ground utility for users who want to support liquidity without incurring the currently structured DUST claim fee penalty. DUST also currently has limited utility beyond immediate claim or veDUST locking, and LP provisioning is relatively high-friction. Current market conditions have not provided enough natural buying pressure to support deep, sticky DUST liquidity. The original finite LP rapidly dried up as it absorbed selling epoch after epoch until it was depleted.

A time-locked LP DUST claim route could broaden participation and deepen liquidity by rewarding longer commitment periods more heavily than shorter ones. Users could easily fund the commitment using nUSDC or fresh USDC, reducing the friction of entering LP while introducing a commitment requirement. The requirement rewards both participants and the protocol with shared Merkl USDC/MON. The protocol may hold or distribute its share to veDUST holders. In bear markets, this may attract new USDC (organic DUST buyers) or act as an additional LP flywheel.

The mechanism is intended to increase long-term DUST alignment and create a deeper committed DUST holder base while also allowing a cushioned time delayed and price-sensitive selling mechanic through the LP until lock expiration. The protocol flow imbalance would be further stemmed by the proposed middle road DUST utility, requiring commitment while subsidization from scaled Merkl rewards incentivizes the depth of the LP to help if selling pressure increases. This avoids every passing epoch creating the next wave of liquid supply 30 days out by time locking liquidity.

Low Level Details / Rewards

Rewards:

Today, DUST rewards are effectively limited to immediate liquidity with a penalty or locking into veDUST for USDC revenue rewards. There is currently no lower-friction route for users who want to support liquidity without incurring the immediate DUST claim fee penalty. This proposal is intended to further support building deeper, longer-committed sticky liquidity while allowing users to partake in scaled Merkl rewards split 60/40 with the current 50/50 Uniswap V2 LP based on the Neverland development team’s final discretion. Incentivizing this new pool requires reduction of incentives to the current 50/50 pool in trade for more sticky participation.

Users choosing this path are betting on either netting a higher yield for their DUST rewards via the LP if the price of DUST increases or accumulating more DUST for cheap as the price decreases. This could mimic a daily cost average DUST investment for the length of the lock duration. Since the elimination of the protocol farm-and-dump mechanics has potentially reduced the risk of liquidity provisioning, current and newer users may be more inclined to participate in LP for scaled Merkl rewards as another option to put their DUST to work.

Distribution:

This works to build sticky liquidity which benefits the protocol though delayed selling of DUST, opens an outlet for emissions currently stuck in holder’s hands. This could reduce the concentration of DUST/USDC liquidity, increase its depth, stabilize volatility, and broaden participation thereby lowering the threat to the protocol’s decentralization. The recent changes to the protocol mechanics should lead to higher DUST price allowing users to “long” DUST while receiving scaled Merkl incentives.

Under the proposed framework the DUST and veDUST USDC revenue distribution continues at the current schedule. At claim time, the receiver chooses a LP commitment duration, and the share of Merkl rewards received scales with that commitment. A full commitment claims the full amount of available rewards while a shorter commitment claims a fraction and returns the rest of the Merkl rewards to the protocol for distribution. Per the final proposal, in consultation with the Neverland development team’s discretion, the Merkl USDC/MON rewards would be held by the protocol or redistributed to veDUST holders in a proportional manner similar to the USDC revenue.

Expected Outcome:

In the short-term, since the dis-incentivization of systematic farming behavior, this returns some net liquid supply but duration locked specifically to LP. Normal DUST distribution continues, and new LP locks widen DUST ownership with Merkl rewards until release from LP lock commitment.

In addition, interested provisioners are potentially acquiring more DUST for veDUST locks / eventual liquid use, or more USDC as the market dictates.

Mechanism:

After enactment, DUST claims would pass through a redemption menu. At claim time, the user chooses either immediate claim or an LP commitment. Immediate liquid claims incur the fee penalty which is burned per the existing protocol structure. LP lock commitments incur no fee penalty maximizing user rewards.

Example LP Options (Final to be determined by Neverland development team):

  • Model: $20k total LP rewards - User owns 1% of liquidity pool

Standard (Current) Option - 50/50 Uniswap v2 Pool - 30% total LP rewards → $6k total pool rewards

Commitment Duration to Exit User Reward Percentage User Rewards Received Rewards Returned to Protocol
None, no commitment, (Immediate liquidity) 100% of 1% of
30% total LP rewards
$60 $0

New (Secondary) LP Lock Option - 50/50 Uniswap v2 Pool - 70% total LP rewards → $14k total pool rewards

Commitment Duration to Exit User Reward Percentage User Rewards Received Rewards Returned to Protocol
12 months
(Exit at lock expiration)
100% of 1% of
70% total LP rewards
$140 $0
9 months
(Exit at lock expiration)
90% of 1% of
70% total LP rewards
$126 $14
6 months
(Exit at lock expiration)
80% of 1% of
70% total LP rewards
$112 $28
3 months
(Exit at lock expiration)
70% of 1% of
70% total LP rewards
$98 $42

Merkl reward percentage is based on LP lock duration and Merkl rewards returned to the protocol are held or distributed to veDUST holders.

Distribution is unchanged: Gross DUST rewards continue at the current schedule. There is no early LP lock release in the current proposal as this LP option is intended to be sticky, but offering a DUST-USDC decaying-penalty alternative based on the final Neverland development team prescribed pool ratio is up for discussion.

Affected Systems:

The new claim path would route a portion of a DUST claim into LP commitment funded by nUSDC or user-supplied USDC. The lock duration determines the share of Merkl incentives the user receives versus the share returned to the protocol over the lifetime of the lock, before output to the Merkl claim path.

Rollout and Contract Readiness:

This would require work for new contracts and audit coverage. The Neverland development team has estimated cost to the protocol would be $5k-$15k but could be recouped over time from a percentage of the returned to protocol Merkl USDC/MON rewards. Time to rollout determined by the Neverland development team.

Migration Requirements:

None for current 50/50 Uniswap V2 provisioners unless they wish to opt-in by switching their position and committing to a more rewarding LP lock. Current LP users would otherwise be untouched except by the reduced 40% share of the Merkl incentives due to 60% directed toward the new proposal. A new migration action and vault contract would need to be created to provide a way for users to lock their current Uniswap V2 LP tokens into the new pool, or they may be subject to loss by manually withdrawing from the current Uniswap V2 LP and switching to the new LP lock pool.

Economic Implications:

There are hurdles to participating in LP and while hurdles are necessary to prevent DUST farming, they should be minimized for those that want more DUST utility and to provide liquidity. This may potentially benefit protocol onboarding while still allowing time-delayed exit. Voters should assume lower DUST prices in the medium-term and normal LP based potential illiquid losses while receiving scaled Merkl incentives.

For veDUST holders, there may be added benefit if the DAO decides to redirect returned to protocol Merkl USDC/MON incentives proportionally to them, but the protocol may also hold its returned Merkl rewards for other uses. Having no early LP lock exit ability, which would require a decaying DUST-USDC penalty (To be returned to the protocol), eliminates the provisioner behavior under stress. However, this carries potentially higher impermanent loss risk to the user in exchange for no DUST reward claim fee penalty.

In general, the design trades flexibility for liquidity depth. It may improve committed liquidity and reduce immediate sell pressure, but it also introduces lock-based opportunity cost and may not remain attractive if external incentives fall. The Neverland team will be consulted on all details (LP ratio, lock durations, and Merkl reward percentages) and if using Merkl rewards in this manner is positive or negative for the protocol in terms of the LP APR clearing a hurdle with relation to DUST market prices currently or in the future.

Alternatives Considered

Before settling on this secondary DUST claim option being Merkl rewards driven, I had originally wanted to have it based on DUST itself. I was unable to think of a mechanism that would make that possible as the source of the DUST would need to come from users which defeats the purpose of having no LP lock fee. Another option would be to convert Merkl DUST/MON rewards back to DUST which would be returned to the protocol for burning, holding or distribution to veDUST holders.

The swap seemed inefficient and may not be as rewarding due to DUST market prices and would compromise the value of the subsidization being redirected to the proposed secondary DUST claim option. Any suggestions and other alternatives from veDUST holders are requested for discussion and will be considered by the Neverland development team prior to proceeding to a vote.

Open Questions

  • What is the optimal LP ratio (50/50 suggested) or should it be weighted to allow more DUST?
  • Will current LP providers absolutely require the new migration action and associated vault contract for increased willingness to switch to the new pool, or would they be willing to accept losses by manually switching from the current Uniswap V2 LP to the new LP lock pool?
  • What are the optimal lock durations (3, 6, 9, and 12 months suggested) to prevent pseudo-farming or gaming the proposed DUST claim mechanism?
  • What is the optimal lock duration scaled Merkl rewards distribution (100, 90, 80, 70% suggested)?
  • What is the optimal pool shared Merkl reward percentage (60/40 suggested)?
  • How would the proposal be affected if or when Merkl rewards decline materially?
  • Would the secondary DUST claim option remain viable with lower Merkl or different rewards?
  • Would the secondary 50/50 (Suggested) LP lock DUST claim option effectively fully replace the current 50/50 Uniswap V2 pool?
  • Do users value not having a lock and be more prone to meeting the 50/50 entry point for the freedom to remove LP at will?

Closing Statement

This proposal adds a middle-ground utility path for DUST. Users can support deeper liquidity while accepting a time commitment in exchange for access to incentives. The intended result is more durable DUST liquidity and a healthier protocol-wide supply structure. There should be a tradeoff for LP providers who are not willing to commit while those who believe in Neverland and want to support the protocol by investing in liquidity should receive their due.

veDUST holders also stand to benefit if the protocol decides to redistribute the returned to protocol Merkl rewards. In the long term and with the hopeful rise in the price of DUST, a deep and wide “sticky” liquidity pool benefits both the protocol and users from epoch to epoch and cushions the effects of bear markets. The liquidity pool may rebuild stronger and faster with greater sustainability in the future.

Before progressing to vote, weigh the following tradeoff; this proposal could allow a pseudo-farming behavior depending on the available durations of locks which may need to be adjusted accordingly by the Neverland development team. It is intended to work in conjunction with the recent protocol mechanism changes, but requires modeling by the Neverland development team to ensure it does not raise further issues and that it has sustainable viability under various market conditions and buy/sell pressure.

If keeping hurdles to liquidity participation or allowing those less committed to be the primary provisioners is deemed important, please share why and if modifications or another plan should be considered in this post. This proposal can evolve before reaching its voting phase.



References

I was encouraged (probably unwillingly) to write up an RFC and consult @Nal_X and those more experienced than myself (Jack Farrington), including the Neverland development team (Hyper and Catalyst). I apologize if by stream of consciousness I have adopted the ideas of others, because there have been a lot of good ones provided by everyone, and they are welcome to take credit in the comments. Also, thanks to Nadette for her review and helping me think through the proposal in greater depth. The Neverland development team will decide whether or not to promote this as a viable and technically sound design that is open to changes during the RFC phase.

You stated we should ‘assume lower DUST prices.’ If I lock 50/50 for 12 months and DUST drops 80%, my LP rebalances to heavy $dust and drains my USDC. How do the Merkl rewards mathematically outpace 12 months of forced Impermanent Loss on a depreciating asset?

What happens to this locked LP when Merkl USDC/mon incentives inevitably decline or end? Is there a contingency?

FYI, the text says the Merkl reward split is 60/40, but the data table uses 70/30 to calculate the $14k/$6k split

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First, thank you for thinking of this. Its actually quite well described and an elegant idea. I do however have some concerns.

  1. There will considerable cost associated with the development, audit, and implementation of this. Would those resources be better spent in another way (such as automated strategies, vaults, etc – markets that would grow TVL)?
  2. This change would negatively impact LP suppliers who bought DUST off the open market, supplied their positions, and now will see far less rewards per week. The risk of holding this LP position with less return would potentially cause LP suppliers to exit their position around the time of implementation, sell DUST, and crash the price of DUST.
  3. I am concerned this RFC, if implemented, would drive away demand for spot DUST, which is the route most LP suppliers obtain their DUST for LP positions. This may create an imbalance between LP suppliers and LP exiters. The Marketplace already has this negative effect and adding another route to bypass the spot market will negatively impact DUST price stability.
  4. I am very against the idea of diluting rewards for LP suppliers who bought DUST off spot. Those users bought DUST under considerable risk, unlike DUST rewards which just flow to users based on market activity. If you choose to direct DUST emissions to the LP, there should be no additional benefit aside from not having to burn tokens.

These are just my initial thoughts. But my biggest take away is that NGV-5 fixed the major issues with the DUST tokenomics. This would add another layer of complexity that may not really solve an underlying issue but could very much negatively impact the DUST spot market.

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It should be 70/30. This went thru a number of rounds of feedback and that was a miss.

You are correct that is the risk of the LP lock in favor for keeping for of your DUST when claiming. There are various lock terms, and I don’t know what kind of even would cause a major drop now that we have the new guards in place to protect the protocol.

I am assuming DUST has stabilized / bottomed out. There will always be the less rewarding unlocked LP pool for those who don’t want to lock and take advantage of the new claim path.

No one knows how much the value of DUST will rise as it becomes less available. Liquidity may or may not be pinched, but in the near term I don’t think many of us see it outpacing MON let alone the crypto market in general.

I appreciate the feedback so far and all the points are well taken. I think there’s a way to just bolt this on the existing pool and only make this a new claim path. The penalties would only be for people who want to deposit directly from weekly DUST rewards.

Current LP deposits would not be affected and any users supplying free DUST from expired veDUST locks or their wallets would not be subject to any penalties.

Merkl rewards should then be 100% to the combined pool as to not hurt current LP suppliers moving forward.

I will need to edit the original RFC. All final decisions will be up to the Neverland team. The benefits are still keeping more of your DUST and some protocol recouped Merkl rewards being returned to veDUST holders. Those recouped Merkl rewards could also go toward development expenses.

I just intended this to broaden the providers of LP and make some sticky liquidity along with the new claim path. Somewhat of a risk management feature.

You’ll always have the big (current) LP suppliers, but this allows widening of the pool holders and creates a more normal shaped distribution. Better both wide and deep than narrow and shallow in case a big LP holder pulls their entire position.

Also please keep in mind the longer lock terms with the shortest being 90 days not 30 like with VE. May also get rid of the longer lock terms as they may never be used.

I would like to edit the original RFC without making a new one but editing is disabled in slow mode. Can a mod please assist?

It’s not that I’m against the proposal itself, but I don’t believe now is the right time for it.

We are currently in a recovery process where NGV 5 has been fundamental in getting us back on track; thanks to it, we’ll have a decent period without the pressure of massive Dust sell-offs.

I’d like to see the effects play out and the recovery process continue a bit longer without introducing another major change that could entail additional costs—and perhaps create uncertainty regarding how current LPs might react to this proposal.

@argsarausrex agree with on that point.

I don’t think this proposal should be discarded—absolutely not—but as I said at the start, I don’t think it’s the best time for it right now.

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Thanks for the constructive feedback. I agree the timing may not be right and that’s up to the Neverland team as to when / if to move forward. Implementation of new contracts would also take time.

I have another draft ready with all of Argsaraus’ and Blev’s feedback taken into account. Basically stripping it back to only a secondary claim path into a the same V2 pool. The 3 and 6 month locks should be long enough to ward off the bad old days while strengthening the LP depth. That only helps with stickier liquidity and health of the protocol.

IMO, DUST price is not everything when considering overall health / stability of the protocol and creating other ways to put your DUST to work. I would love to see it back at a higher value of where a lot of us bought in, but that’s for the market to decide. This may help with spot buys for those who want the Merkl rewards and APR but don’t have free DUST and USDC for LP. It’s optionally after all and doesn’t require 100% of a weekly claim to participate.

Agreed..Why pay $5k-$15k for a new vault and audit just to wrap a Uniswap V2 LP? We’re spending protocol treasury to temporarily trap supply instead of building actual utility for the DUST token

Thanks again for feedback. The simplified “claim path only” draft amendments I will post later today should come on the lower end of the expense range. Current LP suppliers and rewards will not be affected as there won’t be a separate pool. Sticky liquidity and lowering friction to participate in LP is something the team and everyone has posted about in the past. De-risks and adds to robustness of the protocol. Once I post the changes, your additional feedback would be appreciated.

I own a restaurant, I am not an economist but I love thinking about things like this and liquidity is fascinating to me. Here are a couple of suggestions in general that could or could not apply to this proposal:

-I recommend that we move from 50/50 to an 80/20 Pool: A standard Uniswap V2 pool is a IL shredder. 80/20 would also refuse Neverland users USDC IL caused by rebalancing, all while still providing liquidity.

-I don’t like the cliff like lockups. Every 3, 6 or 12 month, you will see a massive dump.. It would be better if the lock featured continuous linear vesting. If you lock for a year, a tiny fraction of your LP becomes withdrawable every block, week, month, etc smoothing out the sell pressure over months instead of minutes

- Instead of making users supply all of the USDC, why not allow users to supply $dust, and then neverland match it with USDC. We could simply supply veDust to the LP. If a user wants out in a hurry, they can sell their NFT on Opensea, etc.

- Neverland could have their own LP, instead of basically renting liquidity elsewhere. Then users can use that own internal LP to trade USDC for dust.. Neverland owns the pool so liquidity will never disappear in the event of a market panic, etc

-As for dust, I know that dust rewards have been reduced for a while, imagine if we use the portion of that revenue to buy dust on the open market, or even just burn that portion. I’m not certain but this may or may not be happening already to some extent

-Currently protocol revenue is paid to users in USDC. What if this was paid partially or fully in $dust?! People dump USDC fast, and they might hold just on to $dust. Create a dust pool like Jupiter has for $jup. It pays apy based on wow much and how long you’ve held locked Jup.

- Let’s not recreate the wheel. Look what other protocols done with their governance token. $LV a good one on Monad.

** I’m not being critical. I love the innovation. I love how governance is legit here at Neverland. Personally, I’m just not a big fan of this proposal, but hopefully these tips will spur some thoughts for someone.

RFC-09 Amendments in Italics (First Round 083026)

Summary:

This proposal introduces an optional secondary DUST claim path that routes rewards into a time-locked DUST/USDC liquidity commitment, with longer commitments receiving a larger share of the Merkl rewards. Commitment may be funded using nUSDC (veDUST revenue or collateral), or their in-wallet USDC, subject to final implementation parameters.

A 50/50 ratio of DUST to USDC is required to share the existing 50/50 Uniswap V2 liquidity pool which these new claims would enter. The ratio maintains that it would take equal numbers of spot buys and sales to affect DUST price. There would be no DUST fee penalty for using this proposed claim option due to the risk of LP impermanent loss. Lock durations would be longer, initially proposed at three (3) and six (6) month options subject to approval in the final proposal in consultation with the Neverland development team

Low Level Details / Rewards:

Rewards:

Today, DUST rewards are effectively limited to immediate liquidity with a penalty or locking into veDUST for USDC revenue rewards. There is currently no lower-friction route for users who want to support liquidity without incurring the immediate DUST claim fee penalty. This proposal is intended to further support building deeper, longer-committed sticky liquidity while allowing users to partake in scaled Merkl rewards within current 50/50 Uniswap V2 LP.

Users choosing this path are betting on either netting a higher yield for their DUST rewards via the LP if the price of DUST increases or accumulating more DUST for cheap as the price decreases. This could mimic a daily cost average DUST investment (DCA) for the length of the lock duration. Since the elimination of the protocol farm-and-dump mechanics has potentially reduced the risk of liquidity provisioning, current and newer users may be more inclined to participate in LP for scaled Merkl rewards as another option to put their DUST to work.

Mechanism:

After enactment, DUST claims would pass through a redemption menu. At claim time, the user chooses either immediate claim or an LP commitment. Immediate liquid claims incur the fee penalty which is burned per the existing protocol structure. LP lock commitments incur no fee penalty maximizing user rewards.

Example LP Option (Final to be determined by Neverland development team):

  • $10k total LP rewards - User owns 1% of liquidity pool

New (Secondary) LP Lock Option - Current 50/50 Uniswap v2 Pool

Commitment
Duration to Exit
User Reward
Percentage
User Rewards
Received
Rewards Returned to Protocol
6 months (180 days)
(Exit at lock expiration)
90% of 1% of the total LP rewards $90 $10
3 months (90 days)
(Exit at lock expiration)
70% of 1% of the total LP rewards $70 $30

Merkl reward percentage is based on LP lock duration and Merkl rewards returned to the protocol are held or distributed to veDUST holders.

Migration Requirements:

None for current 50/50 Uniswap V2 provisioners. Current LP users would otherwise be untouched in terms of their share of the Merkl incentives or ability to exit the LP. They would not need to migrate their positions as this is only a new claim path and shares the existing 50/50 Uniswap V2 LP.

Open Questions

  • What are the optimal lock durations (3 and 6 months suggested) to prevent pseudo-farming or gaming the proposed DUST claim mechanism?

  • What is the optimal lock duration scaled Merkl rewards distribution (80 and 70% suggested)

  • How would the proposal be affected if or when Merkl rewards decline materially?

  • Would the secondary DUST claim option remain viable with lower Merkl or different rewards?

Closing Statement:

This proposal adds a middle-ground utility path for DUST. Users can support deeper liquidity while accepting a time commitment in exchange for access to incentives. The intended result is more durable DUST liquidity and a healthier protocol-wide supply structure. There should be a tradeoff for users taking advantage of the new claim path. They retain more of their DUST while receiving Merkl rewards and at the same time support the protocol and potentially current veDUST if the protocol decides to redistribute the returned to protocol Merkl rewards.

In the long term and with the hopeful rise in the price of DUST, a deep and wide “sticky” liquidity pool benefits both the protocol and users from epoch to epoch and cushions the effects of bear markets. The liquidity pool may rebuild stronger and faster with greater sustainability in the future.

Before progressing to vote, weigh the following tradeoff; this proposal could allow pseudo-farming behavior depending on the proposed three-month (90 day) and six-month (180 day) durations of locks which may need to be adjusted accordingly by the Neverland development team. It is intended to work in conjunction with the recent protocol mechanism changes but requires modeling by the Neverland development team to ensure it does not raise further issues and that it has sustainable viability under various market conditions and buy/sell pressure.

If maintaining friction for liquidity participation or allowing those less committed to be the primary provisioners is deemed important, please share why and if modifications or another plan should be considered in this post. This proposal can evolve before reaching its voting phase.

References:

I was encouraged (probably unwillingly) to write up an RFC and consult Nal_X and those more experienced than myself (Jack Farrington), including the Neverland development team (Hyper and Catalyst). I appreciate the additional early feedback received from Argsaraus Rex and Blev that has led to the simplification of this RFC. I also apologize if by stream of consciousness I have adopted the ideas of others, because there have been a lot of good ones provided by everyone, and they are welcome to take credit in the comments. Also, thanks to Nadette for her review and helping me think through the proposal in greater depth. The Neverland development

Hi Blev - Please see my responses inline below. Thanks!

I recommend that we move from 50/50 to an 80/20 Pool…

While that’s not in scope, it seemed the DAO was against it for stability reasons during the last turmoil. I have changed the RFC to use the existing V2 pool as a new claim path only. Current LP providers would not be affected.

-I don’t like the cliff like lockups…

I have reduce the lock periods and changed rewards to 70 and 90% respectively. I kind of agree with you and I’m opens to both degrading reward penalties and even degrading schedule early withdrawal options similar to the current DUST claims. You’d always get back all your remaining USDC. This is up to the DAO and dev team.

- Instead of making users supply all of the USDC, why not allow users to supply $dust, and then neverland match it with USDC…

This was also proposed by Jack Farrington. The team did not seem open to using the protocol funds in this mannner.

- Neverland could have their own LP…

Interesting suggestion, but I have a feeling there’s some dev costs associated with that and possibly some conflicts with risk. The team may be considering.

-Currently protocol revenue is paid to users in USDC. What if this was paid partially or fully in $dust…

I am not that familiar with That type of system and it’s not in scope of this RFC. It’s an interesting suggestion and you could propose it in another RFC, although it may also have significant dev costs to implement.

** I’m not being critical…

No worries ! I want the constructive criticism. It’s good for refinement. It’s already led to a simplified version of RFC-09 with amendments. I really appreciate your thoughts and hope you’ll view the changes with an open mind for what’s intended. I think it’s a middle road to sticky liquidity, increased DUST utility by lowering LP pool provision friction, and increased protocol health and lower risk with a deeper decentralized liquidity pool.

Errata - The open questions section should state 70% 3-month and 90% 6-month lock rewards are initially suggested with the rest going back to the protocol / veDUST holders. This is open to a discussion to be changed to a degrading reward schedule between 3-6 months for added flexibility and/or a degrading early lock withdrawal burn penalty that only affects the DUST portion of the LP position. The associated remaining supplied USDC would be returned to the user at withdrawal. This would be at rates similar to the current veDUST lock burn penalty schedule for shorter 3-6 month veDUST positions when chosen thru the normal DUST reward claim route.

Poll for adding new amendments. For the second question, the USDC portion of a provider’s LP position would not be affected by the early withdrawal DUST burn penalty.

Should this RFC include daily LP lock options with sliding scaled Merkl rewards between the minimum 3 month and 6 month LP lock options?
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters
Should this RFC allow early withdrawals with the same burn penalty rates as the standard DUST claim path?
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Interesting ideas, and I just want to clarify 2 points:

Neverland could have their own LP, instead of basically renting liquidity elsewhere. Then users can use that own internal LP to trade USDC for dust.. Neverland owns the pool so liquidity will never disappear in the event of a market panic, etc

The long term goal is to build up our POL, which we have had since Day 1. As Neverland was basically bootstrapped, we would need time to build up this POL to reduce reliance on rented liquidity. This would get easier as our revenues increase and have more resources to do this. As we are currently in our growth phase, we want to make sure that we maintain attractive APRs for veDUST, which is why a big portion of the revenue goes there.

As for dust, I know that dust rewards have been reduced for a while, imagine if we use the portion of that revenue to buy dust on the open market, or even just burn that portion. I’m not certain but this may or may not be happening already to some extent

Yes, we have been buying back and burning DUST at our discretion. Similar to the above, we can do a lot more as our revenues increase. Buybacks also require a level of finesse since a major consideration is whether the funds can be used in more productive way, ie. adding features, customer acquisition, building utility to the token, etc. Fundamentally, we need a very solid base of users to drive up revenue. Otherwise, having a token being propped up by buybacks alone is a house of cards that will topple once the funds run out.

Commented on Discord and will reiterate here. LPs are a double edged sword, and especially on our current V2 setup, as easy as it is for price to move down, it is equally as easy for price to move up.

By providing a claim path into locked liquidity provision, one of the consequence is that it would be harder to move price directionally due to the expected deepening of liquidity (assuming current LP depth remains the same).

I’m not saying this proposal is bad, in fact, it’s a better version of my own ideas around locked liquidity. Therefore, a point of consideration for this discussion is also whether the timing is right for this, since I’d reckon most of our current holders would want to see price go back to previous levels. No right or wrong answers, just something we have to discuss.

I’m quite new to crypto, having started with Neverland. When I first started, besides lending, I tried both veDUST and LP. The only way to participate in LP is to buy dust off spot and add to the liquidity pool. Back then, I was wondering why is there no option to claim to LP like how we can claim dust to veDUST. So now this RFC is a discussion to make that a possibility.

However, I have learned that LPs are indeed a double edged sword as mentioned by @hypermassiv. The reason it started with such high APY (>150%) is due to the real possibility of IL, especially with a protocol based token like DUST. So the high APY is to really give you a real possibility to earn some yield by supplying to LP.

I think the amount of work (coding, testing, audit, etc.) and costs (5 - 15k) to get this feature in place is quite substantial and can probably be better spent in other ways like what @argsarausrex mentioned. Having a DUST claim path to LP will in some way reduce the spot demand for DUST.

With NGV-05, the amount of liquid DUST is now limited. However, spot prices is not really moving up as fast as it dropped due to the lower demand for liquid DUST. So adding this option is going to lower demand further since people can now claim directly towards the LP.

Now, there are probably 3 main reasons people will buy DUST from spot.

  1. To get 10k DUST for lengendary
  2. To get DUST for LP
  3. To get DUST to buy items from Nadatte Shop.

Another potential reason is to trade on the price of DUST, but that is not really the intention of the DUST token as highlighted by the team.

So I personally agreed with @hypermassiv @shadow_hodl is not the right time for this.

We need to think of more ways to increase the demand for liquid DUST, increasing activity in the SPOT market, like creating another tier of NFTs or items that give additional percentage of yields or veDUST revenue for limited periods, so people will buy more DUST from SPOT.

With NGV-05 in place, we can now only get liquid DUST from claiming directly with a penalty, or waiting 1 year without penalty. Actually for DUST that has been bought from SPOT market and locked into veDUST, there should be a way to unlock those DUST without penalty since those are from liquid DUST that already went through the minimum lock period to become liquid. I think that is something that we might need to look at in the near future once the liquid DUST drops to a certain level, in order to provide more options for people to have liquid DUST in future.

The 30 days unlock of veDUST used to be the option for people to claim the yields that were presented as DUST rewards, but now, whatever yields we see from DUST rewards are no longer what it seems, as you are no longer able to get those yields without penalty after NGV-05, except through the marketplace, which is still at least 10-15% lesser than the yield itself.

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Definitely give this a A for effort. I can see a lot of thought and work has gone into this.

Here is where I stand personally and with all due respect.

RFC-09 doesn’t generate a single new dollar of protocol revenue. No new fees, no new borrowing demand, no new users. It is Merkl incentive spend- the same subsidy budget the pool already receives, only redistributed by commitment length. It is essentially a zero sum redistribution among LPers. There isn’t any new value created.

I commend the creativity wholeheartedly, but I’m not personally moved by a supply management proposal when lending revenue and borrowing demand are my top priorities.

That being said, thank you Zany4 for all of the effort. You clearly give a s**t about this community and protocol.:100::mechanical_arm::folded_hands:t3:

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